list view?

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07 Sep, 2011 10:23 AM

'My Diaries' page had a 'List View' option. This allowed me to see how many views there were. Is gone now?

  1. 1 Posted by eel on 07 Sep, 2011 06:01 PM

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    It is gone right now, or at least thoroughly hidden. However, I know there was in the past a request from users to make that page more accessible. This would be a good place to speak up.

  2. 2 Posted by Ojibwa on 07 Sep, 2011 06:46 PM

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    I found list view to be very helpful. The data provided in that view doesn't seem to be easily available elsewhere. How can we get it back?

  3. 3 Posted by psyched on 07 Sep, 2011 07:02 PM

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    Group administrators, when on their group page, can click on History in the righthand column, which takes them to List View and the link to Diary Queue.

  4. 4 Posted by enhydra lutris ... on 07 Sep, 2011 08:10 PM

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    I periodically refer back to old diaries and sometimes link to them. Finding them in a hurry without list view is impossible.

  5. 5 Posted by paulbkk on 07 Sep, 2011 10:04 PM

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    List view was quite useful. I'm sorry it's gone, and hope it comes back soon. Is there a reason for restricting access to group admin?

  6. 6 Posted by Garrett on 08 Sep, 2011 01:17 AM

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    On your "Welcome Back" box, click "Drafts." You'll get to the old tab menu that has your list view as a choice.

    This would be a good place to speak up.

    I use list view both for users and for groups, and both for my own diaries, and for others.

    Bookmarks are a better indicator of what is a good diary than recs. For digging up graphics and quotes from old diaries. Lots of reasons.

  7. 7 Posted by noise of rain on 08 Sep, 2011 01:50 AM

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    Thanks, Garrett... I use Listview all the time, and could not find it. Indeed, it is there under "drafts". However, I think it should not be so buried. It is one of the more useful of all the tools for a frequent writer.

  8. 8 Posted by KelleyRN2 on 08 Sep, 2011 03:36 AM

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    I use list view ALL THE TIME. I wish it were available when searching another user's diaries, as well. SBJ, have you ever looked for an old diary by a prolific writer??!!

  9. 9 Posted by Garrett on 08 Sep, 2011 05:09 PM

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    A workaround for getting someone else's list view:

    Go to your own. Substitute their user name for yours in the browser address bar.


    Go to their profile page. Add "/history" at the end.

  10. 10 Posted by psyched on 08 Sep, 2011 05:47 PM

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    Thanks, Garrett, for these tips. Two comments:
    1. A better "indicator of a good diary" would be the ratio of recs to views. (Too bad views are not [AFAIK] unique viewers.)
    2. It looks as if the count of views under the old Kos is inaccurate. They consistently are lower than the number of recs.

  11. 11 Posted by oh on 08 Sep, 2011 07:10 PM

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    We're bringing list view back! See image for details. Diaries will go to blog view, and (list) will got to list.

    Thanks for all your feedback.

    oh (jason)

  12. 12 Posted by Bruce Webb on 08 Sep, 2011 07:21 PM

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    Well my question has been answered. But for psyched at 11
    I track views religiously on my Group and near as I can tell if the reader doesn't click Continue it doesn't register, so that if you routinely put everything above the squiggle you might easily have lots of Recs to no Views. Conversely if you put allmost nothing about the squiggle but a Catchy Title and a good lede you are guaranteed a click through.

    At least I can't explain the numbers I see any other way, particularly the inverted Rec to View ratio.

  13. 13 Posted by psyched on 08 Sep, 2011 10:57 PM

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    Bruce: An interesting observation which I shall remember and put to use. However, regarding the inverted Rec to View ratio, I checked the List for La Feminista and found that earlier than Feb 1, 2011 the number of views was almost entirely too low. It seems that somehow DKos was missing recording a lot of views. On Feb 1 the situation changed markedly. I don't think this could be explained by the behavior of readers going below the squiggle or not. (I checked another diarist's stats too, whom I don't remember, and the situation was the same.) It makes no sense that there would have been a sudden change in readers' behavior on Feb 1.

  14. 14 Posted by Bruce Webb on 09 Sep, 2011 12:16 AM

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    Thanks! Data always better than anecdote. But now that I re-read this Feb 1 would have still been under DK4 Beta and maybe before there was the big press to promote people to try the new platform out. Which itself didn't replace DK3 until Feb 13. And in the last weeks of DK4 Beta there were some organized and sponsored by the Dev team attempts to crash the new platform via commenting volume which might have translated to Rec's

    That said as a Group founder it seems that if some one clicks onto Diary or List view on any Group or User Page or for that matter the Front Page and scrolls only there is no way to see how many posts or post titles passed in and out of view nor would it make sense to score each Item scrolled past as a View even if any counter actually was monitoring my finger movements on my iPad as I move in and out and up and down.

    A lot would seem to depend on your entry point. If you pick a story out of your Stream or from Community Spotlight certainly it will resister as a view. But I visit the SSD Group multiple times in both List and Diary mode to check View and Comment count while not needing to click through to the Diary which I mostly clicked to prior to republishing it.

    That is if you have the combination of a Group that has most or all diaries totally above the squiggle and the Users entry point was the Group based view you might never register a User View at all. On the other hand clicking Continue or Comments probably would register as a View.

    Sent from my iPad

  15. 15 Posted by psyched on 09 Sep, 2011 12:27 AM

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    Bruce: A further comment on your comment. The Continue appears only for diaries in a group's blog view, and as you said, it appears after the preview breaks off at the squiggle. But if a diarist puts the entire diary above the squiggle, Continue does not appear; instead Discuss appears. But most readers do not read the diaries from a group's blog view, and therefore they are counted as viewers if they click on the diary title. In reading the top of the diary from the blog view, readers have not actually clicked on the diary, so it makes sense not to count them.
    So it would help some in gaining a larger view count if, as you said, the portion above the squiggle is kept short and attractive. But the count would be increased only by those starting with the group blog view and not those accessing the diary from the front page.

  16. 16 Posted by psyched on 09 Sep, 2011 12:31 AM

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    Bruce, I wrote the above reply before reading yours above it.

    Sent from my trusty Dell PC (LOL)

  17. 17 Posted by oh on 09 Sep, 2011 04:31 PM

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    A quick question for all you who have been mulling over the list view:

    What is (are) the use case(s) where one wants to view one's own diaries, in condensed view?

    And, also:

    Same question for blog view?

    Your answers would greatly help me understand how these views are getting used.

    -oh (jason)

  18. 18 Posted by oh on 09 Sep, 2011 04:42 PM

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    To refine the second question from that last post:

    When do you want to see your own posts in blog view


  19. 19 Posted by Bruce Webb on 09 Sep, 2011 05:06 PM

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    Just yesterday I wanted to track down a diary I may have written in
    2005-2006 (I know I published diaries on the topic elsewhere). In List View
    I can scroll through all 136 Diaries I have published starting in 2004 in
    seconds as opposed to paging through them all in Blog View. If I didn't
    actually write any such diary I can rule it out whereas negative results
    from the Search box may just have meant bad search terms and parameters. So
    that is question 1.

    As to blog view. If one has multiple recent diaries and want to track New
    comments, List View doesn't do it for you very well-instead it gives total
    comments where if you don't remember the previous comment count doesn't
    help. Nor does Replies fully cover the need, I am often equally interested
    in replies to other peoples comments and not just my own. So scrolling
    through the last couple of days of diaries is useful.

    But for me personally almost all Diaries I put up are directly published to
    the Group and so except for tracking down really old diaries I rarely view
    my own Diaries page in either mode. But I continually examine the Group Page
    in both Diary and List Views, the former to track new comments on all posts,
    the latter mostly to check on overall Page Views and Recs

    Hope this helps, Bruce

  20. 20 Posted by Garrett on 09 Sep, 2011 05:41 PM

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    Specifically for my own list view:

    I've used a graph or a quote in an old diary. I want to reuse it. I find the diary in list view, by title, and cut and paste what I want.

    Or, I want to judge impact of diaries, try to figure out what works and what doesn't. I'll call up list view, and sort on the columns. Similarly, I'm interested in tracking the views over time of a couple of diaries, that have links to them somewhere in the greater web.

  21. 21 Posted by Garrett on 09 Sep, 2011 05:45 PM

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    Blog view:

    Every so often, call it up, and scroll through the recent diaries, looking for new straggler comments.

  22. 22 Posted by psyched on 09 Sep, 2011 05:59 PM

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    I would describe my uses of these the same as Garrett's and Bruce Webb's.

  23. 23 Posted by aoeu on 09 Sep, 2011 06:47 PM

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    Regarding recs v. views. Only views after DK4 went live by users who are signed in are counted. It isn't about the divider doodle. Many diaries from DK3 have had zero views.



  24. 24 Posted by Bruce Webb on 09 Sep, 2011 06:52 PM

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    That was very useful. Although I have been mostly satisfied with Views on
    our Group Diaries, they didn't really square with the unique visitor numbers
    I used to pitch it to some current contributers from DC policy circles. If
    it is only tracking Users and not Lurkers that would explain a lot. Thanks.


  25. 25 Posted by psyched on 09 Sep, 2011 07:21 PM

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    How do you come up with unique visitor numbers?

  26. 26 Posted by Bruce Webb on 09 Sep, 2011 08:08 PM

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    I just check the public numbers reported on SiteMeter from the link provided
    at the bottom of the dKos page under Visits and Other Stats for Advertisers
    which returns this: That is
    I am assuming and I think rightly that where Sitemeter reports 380 thousand
    page views so far today from 357 thousand visitors they are not reporting
    signed in Users, not least because I don't think they would have access to
    that data and there aren't that many dKos Users to start with. Now on
    re-reading the Sitemeter table it doesn't explicitly say 'unique visitors'
    but obviously it is a broader measure than the one suggested by aeou.

  27. 27 Posted by oh on 09 Sep, 2011 09:09 PM

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    Awesome, thanks all. Very helpful.

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