Can you please tell me why I was banned

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volleyboy1

07 Oct, 2011 12:58 AM

Hi,

I am curious as to why I was BoJo'd (banned) from Daily Kos.

I didn't have a hidden comment, my mojo was five bars, and yet I was banned with absolutely no explanation or warning. Honestly, I am not sure what I did wrong. Can you please direct me to the comment or comments that got me banned and the reasoning therein.

Honestly, I was surprised and shocked that this happened.

Anyhow, I would appreciate a reason for this and why it was done without a warning or notice.

Thanks,

Jon Segall
aka volleyboy1

  1. 1 Posted by Blutodog (unver... on 07 Oct, 2011 01:06 AM

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    Don't feel bad. The exact same thing happened to me. I had been a member here since 2004! No warning no reason given nothing , just banned from making any comments anymore. I don't come here anymore.

  2. 2 Posted by Mets102 (unveri... on 07 Oct, 2011 01:30 AM

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    I did find that quite odd, as there were no hidden comments and no obvious violations of site rules on your part, volley. All we had was you taking on someone who made a backdoor Nazi analogy and uprated a Nazi analogy, which are prohibited by I/P rules, along with that person's defenders. That doesn't seem to justify a banning.

  3. 3 Posted by Blutodog (unver... on 07 Oct, 2011 02:50 AM

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    I would like to know why I can no longer make comments here after 7 yrs as a member? I had no warning nothing. All of a sudden Im banned from comments?

  4. 4 Posted by volleyboy1 on 07 Oct, 2011 04:45 AM

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    I agree Mets.

    Well hopefully someone will let me know. I cannot imagine that being mad because people called Jews; "Nazi's" particularly a user who in the past when told of vicious anti-Semitism responded by saying "So?"

    And in this diary people kept on engaging me telling me to stop when I had stopped but was only responding to their engagement, In any case none of my comments were hidden, nor were they not factual (double negative).

    So yeah, I hope that I can find out what happened - I am more curious than anything else.

  5. 5 Posted by volleyboy1 on 07 Oct, 2011 04:46 AM

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    Ummm I didn't finish that first paragraph. It should read:

    Well hopefully someone will let me know. I cannot imagine that being mad because people called Jews; "Nazi's" particularly a user who in the past when told of vicious anti-Semitism responded by saying "So?" would be a bannable offense.

    sorry.

  6. 6 Posted by MBNYC on 07 Oct, 2011 01:06 PM

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    I'm going to weigh in here. Volleyboy is one of the most reasonable and accommodating posters on this site about Israel and Jewish issues in general. I'm wracking my brains, such as they are, and I can't come up with a single reason why he should be banned.

    I get that our fearless leader Markos has an itchy trigger finger these days, and with cause. But in this case, he hit the wrong target, and I respectfully ask that vb1 be reinstated.

    And kudos on this new help desk thingie. Actually helpful.

  7. 7 Posted by volleyboy1 on 07 Oct, 2011 02:54 PM

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    Thank you MBNYC

    I really apprecriate the kind words. Keep up the great work with #OccupyWallSt. You guys rock!!

    I am not sure why I was banned but I too respectfully ask that I be reinstated.

    G'mar Chatimah Tova - "My you be inscribed in the Book of Life for Good" to everyone on this day.

    Thanks,

  8. 8 Posted by volleyboy1 on 07 Oct, 2011 05:10 PM

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    Folks -

    I don't understand this... in this new era of "non-dickish" comments I can't help but notice this comment from david mizner to fizziks in his diary about banning I/P. fizzick's diary is nothing but respectful - yet here:

    Hilarious (3+ / 0-) Recommended by:sofia, Assaf, blueness(/strong) Fizziks: 'Now that the new rules are prohibiting me and my ideological allies from pissing in the pool and turning off many Kossacks, now that it's becoming even clearer that the vast majority of people at this site do not support my POV, I believe we should stop discussing this issue.' by david mizner on Fri Oct 07, 2011 at 08:01:35 AM PDT

    is a comment that:

    1. Completely lies about the motivations of diarist
    2. Mocks and dismisses the diarists legitimate complaints
    3. Presents it in a manner that can be called nothing less than "dickish"

    These are the same people that have said that I acted in a disruptive fashion, and demanded a banning. YET, here we have them doing what they most complain about.

    Please explain this to me, how I am banned without warning or explanation and yet they are perfectly free to do exactly what they complained about.

    Thank you,

    volleyboy1

  9. 9 Posted by JNEREBEL on 07 Oct, 2011 05:22 PM

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    I also asked admins about this yesterday for vollyboy1.

    Please advise.

  10. 10 Posted by dhonig (unverif... on 07 Oct, 2011 06:19 PM

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    this appears to be one of Kos' "a pox on both their houses" banning, tossing Weasel for a Nazi analogy, and tossing Volleyboy1 for pointing out the Nazi analogy.

    If so, it is absurd and should be rectified.

  11. 11 Posted by wiscmass (unver... on 07 Oct, 2011 07:18 PM

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    I agree with dhonig. Further, if it's considered "being a dick" to stand up to bullshit like that, then considering how much time and effort kos spends mocking people who invoke the Nazis for their own bullshit comparisons in the weekly hate mail feature, perhaps he ought to ban himself. "A pox on both their houses" and all that.

  12. 12 Posted by Paul in San Fra... on 08 Oct, 2011 02:51 AM

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    In addition to the complete lack of rhyme or reason to why markos is banning people, there's the utter lack of transparency. VB gets no explanation for why he is banned. He had no hidden comments, he got no warnings, he just got banned. All I can guess is that you get banned for calling out bigotry and racism. Nobody here has done more to build bridges in I/P than VB. Nobody on Team I has done more to reach out to the other side, and nobody on Team P has ever done anything in the history of mankind to reach out to the other side. VB has made herculean efforts, while Team P relentlessly lies about his views, accuses him of being a rightwinger, and engages in all kinds of dickish behavior towards him, and he's the one that gets banned. It's total bullshit.

  13. 13 Posted by JayinPortland (... on 08 Oct, 2011 05:35 AM

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    Let me second what Paul, and others, have said.

    Hardly anybody (I'd say nobody, but I'm leaving wiggle room here in case of the highly unlikely case that I've forgotten something or someone) has reached out to anybody and everybody to the extent that volley has. He's set the example and defined 'reaching out' in the I-P dairies.

    That he continued to do so despite the endless lies and vicious smears on his character (he's been called a pedophile here by a still active user, for G-d's sake!) amazes me.

  14. 14 Posted by Paul in San Fra... on 08 Oct, 2011 05:50 AM

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    Indeed. Romo2Austin is still around at Dailykos, despite repeatedly making accusations of pedophilia against people both at DailyKos and elsewhere (behind the cowardly guise of "anonymous" which fools nobody but fools), but VB and I are banned?

  15. 15 Posted by Paul in San Fra... on 09 Oct, 2011 05:11 AM

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    I'm simply gobsmacked that you were banned, and still are, while webranding posts an incredibly offensive diary on the holiest day of the Jewish calendar, and when confronted with his clueless insensitivity, he just doubles down on it. The fact that he is still a trusted user after that shows just how morally bankrupt this website is. I really wonder how the Democratic senators and congressmen that post here would react if they knew that the guy who posted this diary is a trusted user here:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/07/1024035/-There-is-An-Epic-...

  16. 16 Posted by Timaeus on 10 Oct, 2011 04:11 AM

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    volleyboy1, although we've had some conflicts, and although I'm mainly on the P side of the I/P debate, I have a great deal of friendship and respect for you. I hope you will wait a few weeks and then make a genuinely contrite request to Markos for reinstatement. It will probably be granted.

    I got banned myself (unfairly!) in April 2005 and then later got reinstated by Markos in 2008 (I was slow to figure out how to request this). With Markos now handling many moderator duties, I'll bet you can get a good response quickly. But I also think you need to wait a few weeks.

    For what it's worth, I read your comments in the thread that resulted in your banning, and I can understand why Markos pulled the trigger. There are new rules now, which Markos has rather elaborately tried to explain. The fact that you got no HRs is irrelevant.

    I'm not going to explain it further. I respectfully request that you consider why Markos--and I, and others--think you went too far in that thread.

    And I hope to see you back very soon!

  17. 17 Posted by Dhonig (unverif... on 10 Oct, 2011 04:21 AM

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    Timaeus, sorry, but what a load of BS. Volley has no reason to be contrite. He called somebody out for a heinous Nazi comparison, and both got banned. The fact that he had to repeat was purely because Team P sees this whole thing as a team sport and rallied behind their man, to the point that everybody was supposed to accept a transparently false apology. This banning was little more than Kos sending the perp and the victim to their rooms, one for punching, and the other for being punched. Your own cowardice, your refusal to say what he actually did wrong, as well as the insistence he be "contrite" without saying why, shows the emptiness of your point of view.

  18. 18 Posted by Paul in San Fra... on 10 Oct, 2011 05:13 AM

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    And to add to what Dhonig said, and to call further bullshit on the weasel and his nonsense. Nazi comparisons aren't banned because they impede civil discussion. They are banned because they are deeply offensive to the Jewish participants at DailyKos. Or they should be. And the idea that we should get punished for calling attention to that is bullshit. I can't speak for Volleyboy, but I will not be contrite for standing up for what I believe in. If you and markos can't handle that, tough shit. I'm no shtetl Jew. And if you don't recognize my username, it's because Paul in Berkeley was my dhimmi name. Those days are past. I'm a proud, strong Jew, and I will fight for my rights.

    Deal with it.

  19. 19 Posted by Timaeus on 10 Oct, 2011 05:33 AM

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    Completely predictable responses. You guys need to read up on "pride" and "humility" and "contrition." You're in a wasteland of arrogant ignorance.

    My suggestion to volleyboy1 was exactly accurate. You're not doing him any favors by advocating yet more prideful anger.

    This is not supposed to be a forum here for I/P debates. But let me just say that both of you are not telling the truth, apparently because you're so blinded by rage. Again, you're not doing volleyball1 any favors.

  20. 20 Posted by Timaeus on 10 Oct, 2011 05:36 AM

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    Er, sorry about the name typo.

  21. 21 Posted by volleyboy1 on 10 Oct, 2011 03:14 PM

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    Hey guys... no need to argue here. It doesn't really help things. Timaeus, All I will say I disagree with you 100%. But you are cetainly welcome to your opinion. I will say however, that I appreciate their advocacy and that they took the time to speak on my behalf.

    Now back to the question. I respectfully request that I at least be informed as to why I was banned (Bo'Jo'd). I would like to hear from an admin. rather than from a spectator.. I am not sure what I did wrong and I think that forcefully confronting Nazi analogies is a reasonable thing to do.

    Anyhow, a few days later, I ask again. Can someone (involved in the decision) please tell me why I was banned?

    Thank you for your time.

    volleyboy1

  22. 22 Posted by aoeu on 10 Oct, 2011 07:27 PM

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    I am following volleyboy1 at this time. Troolz is not.

    Wait a couple of weeks and try to be less of a dick?

  23. 23 Posted by volleyboy1 on 10 Oct, 2011 07:37 PM

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    Come again? First of all, I am not a "dick" and nor is it being a dick to call out Nazi Analogies.

    Second of all, What does this mean: "I am following volleyboy1 at this time, Troolz is not:"?

    Third, Is this an official administration response?

    Fourth, can some in the administration please point out to me what comment was particularly dickish and in response to what previous comment?

    This is a really curious response.

  24. Support Staff 24 Posted by elfling on 10 Oct, 2011 10:11 PM

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    aoeu is not an admin, though he does often alert admin to problem users.

  25. 25 Posted by Paul (unverifie... on 10 Oct, 2011 10:17 PM

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    So he's a busybody.

    Sent from my massive ego

  26. 26 Posted by Dhonig (unverif... on 10 Oct, 2011 10:25 PM

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    Perhaps an Amin would do volley the courtesy of an answer.

  27. 27 Posted by volleyboy1 on 11 Oct, 2011 03:23 AM

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    Elfing,

    1. I am not an problem user or was not..... ;-)

    2. It's nice of you to get back to me on this and while I appreciate the response, I am baffled at why, four days later, I still have no idea why I was banned.

    As far as I am concerned it seems that I was banned for combatting bigotry (Nazi Analogies directed at Jews). I cannot find any comment in any of those threads that even approaches the level of "dickishness" of the comment made by david mizner and rec'd by others on Team P presented above. Yet david and crew are happily still DKos users.

    So I ask you yet again. Can you please tell me why I was Bo'jo'd and what comment(s) specifically where the ones that got me banned?

    Thanks,

    vb1

    P.S. Thank you Dhonig and others for your support. I really appreciate it.

  28. 28 Posted by Paul in San Fra... on 11 Oct, 2011 03:30 AM

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    This is a really great helpdesk. You ask questions, raise problems, and get no meaningful response from anyone.

    I get better customer support from Peggy.

    http://youtu.be/F8L2cI8brzQ

  29. 29 Posted by volleyboy1 on 11 Oct, 2011 03:46 AM

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    That is pretty funny Paul....

    It kind of feels like that.

    I keep asking in a respectful manner, and then I get told by two people, who themselves give "dickish" responses..... that I am a dick.

    I am not asking for the cure to cancer here. I am asking a simple question about why I was banned and what comment did that to me. I would like to understand how being reasonably pissed off about Jewish/Nazi Analogies made by a commentor who once said "So?" when told about virulent anti-Semitism could somehow get me banned.

    Look, it's Markos' site. If he wants to ban me for being pissed off about offensive commentary, that's fine, he can do whatever he likes. He can ban me because he hates volleyball for all I care, it's totally up to him, this is his site. But if he is trying to establish civility as a rule then one would think he would do the polite thing and answer my question. He has my email, he can answer privately..

    Not that tough.

  30. Support Staff 30 Posted by elfling on 11 Oct, 2011 04:01 AM

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    I apologize for the slow response; I was expecting kos to weigh in, but he has not had the opportunity to do so. It was his decision, based on what he read and saw, to ban. I can speculate but I cannot definitively give you the answer.

    I am aware of a complaint about vb arguing meta in threads that I do not think kos had seen when he made his decision, so the sense that vb was disruptive was not solely one person's thought.

    I do not know if it was a specific comment that was over the line or if it was a general sense that vb1 was spending too much time worrying about the fine points of other people's behavior and disrupting discussion with it. Keeping in mind that I do not follow I/P diaries and that I don't know the history, I would say as a very random example that this comment here is not one of your finer moments:
    http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1022680/43520887

    It's not about which side you are on in the issue.

    I do not know whether kos considers your case to be a temporary suspension or a more permanent ban, but I will try to get you some sort of answer.

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