New website poor formatting

Hene's Avatar

Hene (unverified)

04 Aug, 2020 10:29 AM

What was enjoyable about the previous site was that I could scroll and read an article in its entirety without the need to click into it to see the contents. If I wasn’t interested after reading a paragraph I could continue scrolling.

I’ve spent my past few visits trying to see if there was a button or setting to change it back and I haven’t read the articles.

More clicks is a waste of my time and bad UX. And because of this I’ll be reading less because it is going to take a very good headline to make me click through.

  1. 1 Posted by Reimer on 04 Aug, 2020 10:46 AM

    Reimer's Avatar

    This new format is overwhelming. I want only one article at a time. The list of articles now just seems like the clickbait on the margins and the bottom of each page.
    I agree with Hene - the headline will need to be riveting for me to click and read the article.

  2. 2 Posted by TheDorrRebellio... on 04 Aug, 2020 12:41 PM

    TheDorrRebellion's Avatar

    I Very much find the new format to be uninviting, It does not lend itself to a linear reading, too many clicks and returns, I have moved by DK experience to my phone whee the App still makes sense.

  3. 3 Posted by Captain Action on 04 Aug, 2020 02:00 PM

    Captain Action's Avatar

    Dumbed it down. Thanks a lot.

  4. 4 Posted by JoshuaJSlone on 04 Aug, 2020 03:03 PM

    JoshuaJSlone's Avatar

    "I could scroll and read an article in its entirety without the need to click into it to see the contents. If I wasn’t interested after reading a paragraph I could continue scrolling."

    It wouldn't show all of long ones, but yeah. I generally used the site to get the gist of what was going on from the parts of articles shown, and would click through on ones of further interest. But now there's nothing but headline headline headline.

    "I’ve spent my past few visits trying to see if there was a button or setting to change it back "

    Clicking on the site logo at the top right drops down a menu where the bottom option is to "Switch to new design", which I at first ignored because... I was already there. But once I did so, clicking up there again there was a "Switch to old design" option at the bottom.

  5. 5 Posted by kingdave1 on 04 Aug, 2020 03:27 PM

    kingdave1's Avatar

    Thanks, Joshua. The new design is very pretty and trendy, but I find it's form over function, and harder to read. I at least scan dK a few times per day, and like seeing the story lede, which helps me know what articles I'm interested in. I guess the new design helps catch viewers who rarely (or have never) visit.

    Even the old view now has ads that keep changing. Gawd I hate pages that do that. I guess that's another skirmish in the war between adverts and ad-blockers.

  6. 6 Posted by Blaine Hankins... on 04 Aug, 2020 05:10 PM

     Blaine Hankins's Avatar

    The new format is horrible. Dkos is my go to for news and info and this change renders the site useless to me. It's just awful.
    Please go back to the old format or you will lose a lot of us.
    Oh, and you should fire whomever's idea this was.

  7. 7 Posted by alan (unverifie... on 05 Aug, 2020 01:49 PM

    alan's Avatar

    i wrote a comment thru the E-mail contact page, asked for a response & got none...

    much like the others in this thread it seems the new format is visually messy & just another click bait reliant site. It forces you to see over & over the very articles you will Never read as they appear in different locations within the format & move around again each time you refresh.

    What a total waste of your site's readers' time; and that, over time, certainly acts as disincentive to refresh or to make a contribution to the site.

    to give some idea of how bad this new format is is that it makes Huffington look efficient by comparison.

  8. 8 Posted by tjlord on 05 Aug, 2020 06:40 PM

    tjlord's Avatar

    Agree with all of this - my big pleasure was going to list view of the community diaries and then clicking to read the ones I want. I am fundamentally averse to click bait sites (which DKos has just become) and am likely to both stop reading and stop contributing content. Just to much f#$king work to sort through the crap to what I want to read.

  9. 9 Posted by metaldrummer88 on 05 Aug, 2020 06:49 PM

    metaldrummer88's Avatar

    I can't stand it. At all. Nothing was wrong before and now it's worse. Why? Really annoying I can't go back and find older stories from the same day without digging around. I also liked being able to read some or all of the article without having to open the page. Sometimes I would catch a story I would otherwise miss or look over because of the headline.

  10. 10 Posted by kingdave1 on 05 Aug, 2020 06:53 PM

    kingdave1's Avatar

    The good news is, Joshua's fix :"switch to old design" sticks, at least if you're logged in. It would be nice if this ability was shown on the front page, but I guess web designers don't want to let usability get in the way of pretty.

  11. 11 Posted by alan (unverifie... on 05 Aug, 2020 09:37 PM

    alan's Avatar

    i have been reading fellow complainers comments for the first time and here's a part of what's going on:

    reading pictures and reading texts are separate mental functions that necessarily interfere with each other. hence much of the commenters' frustration... revulsion even... the constant switching of mental tasks becomes an impediment to any fast selection process for finding what one finds worth reading... thus driving up the importance of click bait over content.

    this along with multiple appearances of the same post in different locations, locations that then shift over time, forces another load of extra pre-conscious processing... another frustrating waste of attention...

    the site is now seems geared towards a more once, or maybe twice, a day view, anything more ... not worth the time...

  12. 12 Posted by Gene Flanders (... on 05 Aug, 2020 11:22 PM

    Gene Flanders's Avatar

    It doesn’t work from my mobile device or from my iMac. Although I have never logged in.

    In the past I would always click the “view desktop” because I avoided the mobile view.

    Maybe I will set up an account to see if that helps like suggested.

    Gene Flanders – I can help.

  13. 13 Posted by Eyesbright on 05 Aug, 2020 11:30 PM

    Eyesbright's Avatar

    You can get back to the old version (I've had to do it several times). Look at the top right corner of the Front Page and find your user avatar. Click on it and that will take you in to your profile. Look all the way down the list of things under your name and you'll find "Switch to old frontpage design." Click on that and you should be back to the (Far Superior) old front page design.

    Note: often, even though you're already on the new Front Page, that option will say "Switch to new Front Page." That means you'll need to do it twice. That always works for me (or, at least, it has so far).

    P. S. I'm hoping they'll leave that option functional for a long, long time!

  14. 14 Posted by metaldrummer88 on 06 Aug, 2020 08:09 AM

    metaldrummer88's Avatar

    Well, been fun and enjoyed the community here but probably won't be coming back much. this sites completely fucking garbage now. And no it's not just how it looks, it doesn't work or function right. To get to this help desk took 6 attempts, I can't ever click on the right link. The ads are also really annoying and I've clicked them not even wanting to. I'll try switching to the old format but I'm not dealing with misclicking links for 10 minutes to do anything every time. I don't go to websites that I can't navigate or use. And why am I getting ads from donald fucking trump on this website?

  15. 15 Posted by Slideman on 06 Aug, 2020 11:26 AM

    Slideman's Avatar

    Click on your avatar and at the bottom of the list is an option to change back to the old format. I did and it worked for me.

  16. 16 Posted by disdaniel (unve... on 06 Aug, 2020 03:22 PM

    disdaniel's Avatar

    I think my IQ drops by 15 points having to sort through all the crap--well it LOOKS LIKE crap--on the new front page. I have to scroll through 5 screens of context-less headlines to find an article that used to just magically appear in nice neat chronological order.

    Who thought this redesign was a good idea? I used to visit Daily Kos hourly, now visiting twice a week feels like way too much work. May have to cut back to twice per month.

  17. 17 Posted by shawnf on 06 Aug, 2020 09:52 PM

    shawnf's Avatar

    I've done enough website redesigns to know that there is ALWAYS a significant group of people who will complain about changes, no matter what you do. If I had a dollar for every time I read "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," I'd be comfortably retired by now. That said....
    The new format undoes precisely the thing that made DailyKos my daily go-to source. As most others here have said, I *liked* scrolling down the page and seeing the first paragraph. It allowed me to get a sense of the article, then click through to read if I was interested. Now things are scattered all over the place and there's only headlines to go by. The page used to feel well organized and timely (I'd usually check it in the morning and the afternoon). Now it just seems cluttered and confused.

  18. 18 Posted by Gene Flanders (... on 06 Aug, 2020 11:31 PM

    Gene Flanders's Avatar

    So does that mean I have to create an account?

    Gene Flanders – I can help.

  19. 19 Posted by jared24 on 07 Aug, 2020 12:49 PM

    jared24's Avatar

    Now, DK is just like every other site. Endlessly repeated articles to make the site appear flushed out. I can't find the articles I have been reading for a decade now. You see the same story repeated throughout the site. I don't usually care about site changes but this one is bad. I used to spend at least an hour on-site every morning. Now, If I can find 3 stories to read before I move on I'm doing good.

    Please Markos, fix it. This is (was) my favorite website.

  20. 20 Posted by Gerald Owen (un... on 07 Aug, 2020 04:55 PM

    Gerald Owen's Avatar

    What is it with designers who feel they must change a good thing? And in the process of thinking they've done a service, end up screwing up a perfectly fine site, one much appreciated now by this switch. Have the people who brought the world the Edsel now working for DK? If you feel "People will complain but they'll get used to it," you'd be wrong.

  21. Support Staff 21 Posted by Daily Kos Staff on 21 Aug, 2020 01:33 AM

    Daily Kos Staff's Avatar

    Thanks to all of you for commenting about the new Front Page design. I apologize that it has taken an excessively long time for you to receive a reply.

    I'm going to start off with providing the boilerplate response that we have prepared as a basic orientation for users. Since there are so many of you in this thread, it's going to be easiest way to convey the most information quickly to you.

    If, after you read this overview, you still have more specific feedback -- OR if something else about the new Front Page is not working for you on your setup the way it appears to be intended to work -- you're welcome to open a new, separate ticket with the details requested at the end of the boilerplate below. Those details help us get a handle on the issue you are seeing, so that we can determine whether it's a bug or something that we can help you address with your personal setup.

    As it happens, today we have an update on the Front Page work-in-progress from Jason Libsch, our VP of product. If you are already a site member, please go check it out to see if it addresses any of your concerns and to add any comments you have, pro or con. Jason is sincerely interested in reading and incorporating feedback; I think this post shows he does take users' comments about preferences and workflow habits into account. If you don't have a site username, you're welcome to sign up for one so that you can join the discussion there. This guide can explain the account-creation process.

    Thanks again for your commitment to political engagement and to participating on Daily Kos.


    If you're interested in more context, please consult this reference explaining the rationale behind the change.

    If you're here for more immediate concerns, the most common question arising now is how to switch between old and new displays. Some site users, even regular readers, may not have caught this information, but switching between displays is easy.

    Logged-in users can switch between versions by clicking a link displayed at the bottom of the user drop-down menu, “Switch to old/new frontpage design.” Anonymous users can use these links to switch:
    To reach the old FP display, go to https://www.dailykos.com/softlaunch/set_default
    To reach the new FP display, go to https://www.dailykos.com/softlaunch/set_default?to_new_page=true

    Once you've had a chance to use the new display for a while, you're welcome to let us know what you think about it. We’ve opened a dedicated category here at the Helpdesk for new Front Page questions and commentary. (If you do, please open individual tickets in , to avoid this sort of mass response that probably wouldn't be applicable to everyone.) To help us better understand your feedback, please provide details about the type of device you’re using, its operating system and browser, along with as much specific information you can supply about your question or issue. Screenshots, which Helpdesk will allow you to attach, can be of significant help in illustrating your points.

  22. Daily Kos Staff closed this discussion on 21 Aug, 2020 01:33 AM.

  23. ibbilbo re-opened this discussion on 21 Aug, 2020 03:19 AM

  24. 22 Posted by ibbilbo (unveri... on 21 Aug, 2020 03:19 AM

    ibbilbo's Avatar
    Since no one on the staff seems to understand just how much your attitude has alienated us I will share my work around.
    I have found an easy fix for all the issues I have with the new front page. It's simple. Go to bookmarks. Highlight the hypertext to Dkos. Then click "ctrl" followed by "del".
    Voila! All my aggravation is instantly relieved!

    So long. It was good while it lasted...

    On Aug 20, 2020 9:33 PM, Daily Kos Staff <[email blocked]> wrote:

    // Please reply above this line
    ==================================================

    From: Daily Kos Staff (Support staff)

    Thanks to all of you for commenting about the new Front Page design. I apologize that it has taken an excessively long time for you to receive a reply.

    I'm going to start off with providing the boilerplate response that we have prepared as a basic orientation for users. Since there are so many of you in this thread, it's going to be easiest way to convey the most information quickly to you.

    If, after you read this overview, you still have more specific feedback -- OR if something else about the new Front Page is not working for you on your setup the way it appears to be intended to work -- you're welcome to open a new, separate ticket with the details requested at the end of the boilerplate below. Those details help us get a handle on the issue you are seeing, so that we can determine whether it's a bug or something that we can help you address with your personal setup.

    As it happens, today we have an update on the Front Page work-in-progress from Jason Libsch, our VP of product. If you are already a site member, please go check it out to see if it addresses any of your concerns and to add any comments you have, pro or con. Jason is sincerely interested in reading and incorporating feedback; I think this post shows he does take users' comments about preferences and workflow habits into account. If you don't have a site username, you're welcome to sign up for one so that you can join the discussion there. This guide can explain the account-creation process.

    Thanks again for your commitment to political engagement and to participating on Daily Kos.


    If you're interested in more context, please consult this reference explaining the rationale behind the change.

    If you're here for more immediate concerns, the most common question arising now is how to switch between old and new displays. Some site users, even regular readers, may not have caught this information, but switching between displays is easy.

    Logged-in users can switch between versions by clicking a link displayed at the bottom of the user drop-down menu, “Switch to old/new frontpage design.” Anonymous users can use these links to switch:
    To reach the old FP display, go to https://www.dailykos.com/softlaunch/set_default
    To reach the new FP display, go to https://www.dailykos.com/softlaunch/set_default?to_new_page=true

    Once you've had a chance to use the new display for a while, you're welcome to let us know what you think about it. We’ve opened a dedicated category here at the Helpdesk for new Front Page questions and commentary. (If you do, please open individual tickets in , to avoid this sort of mass response that probably wouldn't be applicable to everyone.) To help us better understand your feedback, please provide details about the type of device you’re using, its operating system and browser, along with as much specific information you can supply about your question or issue. Screenshots, which Helpdesk will allow you to attach, can be of significant help in illustrating your points.

    On Fri, Aug 07 at 09:55 AM PDT, Gerald Owen wrote:

    What is it with designers who feel they must change a good thing? And in the process of thinking they've done a service, end up screwing up a perfectly fine site, one much appreciated now by this switch. Have the people who brought the world the Edsel now working for DK? If you feel "People will complain but they'll get used to it," you'd be wrong.

    Having trouble reading this? View this discussion online: New website poor formatting.

    Reply with #ignore to stop receiving notifications for this discussion.


  25. 23 Posted by Gene Flanders (... on 24 Aug, 2020 11:15 AM

    Gene Flanders's Avatar

    I am still reading less since the website change.

    What does your internal data tell you?

    Will you share that information?

    Gene Flanders
    508-733-2722

Reply to this discussion

Internal reply

Formatting help / Preview (switch to plain text) No formatting (switch to Markdown)

Attaching KB article:

»

Attached Files

You can attach files up to 10MB

If you don't have an account yet, we need to confirm you're human and not a machine trying to post spam.

Keyboard shortcuts

Generic

? Show this help
ESC Blurs the current field

Comment Form

r Focus the comment reply box
^ + ↩ Submit the comment

You can use Command ⌘ instead of Control ^ on Mac